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sealing plans: legal issues and risks
i am a structural engineer involved in building inspections, structural evaluations, forensic investigations, etc. occationally, someone will ask me to do design work and/or seal design drawings. these drawings are usually for home additions or structural repairs and are not very complex. i do not have e & o insurance for this type of work. i do not foresee generating a significant amount of money doing this type of work and therefore i'm having trouble justifying spending three grand for this insurance. is this insurance a legal requirement (pa) and would i be foolish to seal plans without it?
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i don't know about legallity in pa but i think in most states it is illegaly to seal work that is not directly under your control and supervision. if you do so illegally yur insurace may not cover the act.
you do have e&o insurance, right. as far as i understand inspections and evaluations are higher liability than design work because they are all considered giving "opinions" which are open to interpretation in court. did you ask not to be insured for design work to save money?
if you are a seasoned engineer, and take the time to do jobs well, it may be a fairly-low risk proposition to consider foregoing the e & o.
is this maybe work that you're doing on the side? if so, also check up on state rules on moonlighting- in many states, prohibited without permission or notification of your employer.
i have discussed this issue with my lawyer and he told me something interesting. although he advised me to obtain e & o insurance for good sleep, he also said that anything i own which is under both mine and my wifes name is untouchable. in my case this is everything i own. the risk of course is that if we would divorce or (god forbid) she would pass away then everything would pass to me and become fair game. yet another reason to treat your wife like the precious jewel she is guys.
by the way, this is for pa, i do not know what how other state laws address this.
i disagree with "false precision".
it does not matter how seasoned you are. if there is a problem in a project the lawyers make sure that everyone involved, from the cleaning lady to the a/e, will get tangled in the lawsuit and at the end everyone would loose.
good luck
ps: "three grand" for structural e&o coverage is a wishfull thinking.
sigma,
i agree with you 1000%.
lutfi
if you don't see any significant income coming in from this type of work and you aren't pursuing it - why do it at all? stay with your bread and butter. i used to pass on several geotechnical assignments to other firms when i saw that the effort/time and potential hassles outweighed our benefits as we were not set up for certain types of jobs.
moonlighting, in my opinion, sheds lame light to our profession for the following reasons:
1. most engineers who moonlight do it much cheaper than firms who have overhead and expenses.
2. it established a bad trend with clients.
3. it gives the notion that engineering firms make large profit margins when their fees and the moonlighting fees are compared.
4. it subjects not only the engineer but the employers to liability. there have been cases where employer was held liable because the engineer used company’s calc sheets and or software.
5. it does not give clients the professional attention they deserve especially if the engineer is at his regular job and the clients need real answers regarding work performed.
6. if it has to be done, i recommend that you talk directly with your employer and be upfront about it. if they say no, you should respect their wishes. many companies are bound by their e&o insurance policies.
7. the profit ratio to the degree of risk is tremendous. i notice in florida, where i live, many engineers are being brought in front of the board for discipline because they were involved in signing and sealing deficient plans which were not prepared by them or under their supervision.
8. most engineering jobs required few hours over 40. assuming that is the case, the engineer must spend lots of time doing the side job. this may happen at the expense of the real job.
this is some of my input and i do not mean for it to be insulting to any one. i did side jobs way back and quickly found out that it is not worth doing. as a matter of fact, i am being asked to appear as a witness regarding a report that was done by me in 1991. plaintiff attorney found a copy of my report and he subpoenaed me to appear as a witness. they have been stringing me along since october 2003! this has cost me. i am not at fault at all. i just happened to do a report; they are using my report as an exhibit to prove their point. i bet my cost would be over 20 times the money i made.
regards,
regads,
lutfi
there was never any statement that anyone was doing moonlighting in this thread. the thread is about asking people's opinions about e & o insurance. we can give examples of the rpos and cons. there is no reason to denigrate anyone because of this.

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