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broken teeth when hitting the wall of reality
owner/architect: "can you get the design done and the building built in 3 weeks?
engineer: "uh, maybe"
owner/architect: "ok, great, let's get started."
reality is like the handrail to the groin of a skateboarder. no matter what the project has behind it, emotion, politics, or public momentum, reality always sinks in. see this link:
it's a shame, i thought the freedom tower would be a real positive for the people of new york, post 9-11. much like the peace shrine at hiroshima.
jae, i noticed you have a theme going with tall buildings.
it is like the joke......
what are the 5 stages of project development?
wild enthusiasm
disallusionment
panic
search for the guilty
promotion of the non-participants
(not too far from reality)

asixth,
yes, well...tall buildings are perhaps the structural engineering equivalent to landing a man on the moon...great endeavors are always fascinating, don't you think?
jike,
keep it going -
...promotion of the non-participants
consultation with attorneys
suits filed in "x" court
depositions
expert witnesses
counter expert witnesses
mediation attempt
mediation fails
delay the trial
further expert witnesses
....on and on and on....

quote:
a transit hub, featuring a winged dome designed by spanish architect santiago calatrava, presents some of the greatest rebuilding obstacles because it affects office towers, the memorial and space for an arts center that surrounds it. once budgeted at $2.2 billion, estimates have soared as high as $3.4 billion.
i guess they didn't look into how calatrava's last u.s. project, the sundial bridge in redding, ca, did in terms of budget and schedule. why people accept architects' dollar figures for construction costs is beyond me. you want construction costs, you ask a contractor, not an architect.
hg
jae:
i did a fast track project last weekend. i designed and built a dog house - no, it wasn't for me. now, if there had been an architect involved...
everything is relative.
mike mccann
mmc engineering
mike, ok - i'm imagining a frank gehry doghouse.
woh.

no...that was the cathouse - dogs are more down to earth - literally.
mike mccann
mmc engineering
i am just imagining the features of the "cathouse." is it in nevada?
don phillips
i think that jae's additions to jike's post just fill in the step which jike left out: punishment of the innocent.
"you want construction costs, you ask a contractor, not an architect."
contractors aren't psychic, either.

2009-09-07, 05:21 PM	#1
huangyhg 超级版主注册日期: 04-03 帖子: 18592 精华: 36 现金: 249466 标准币资产: 1080358888 标准币	broken teeth when hitting the wall of reality broken teeth when hitting the wall of reality owner/architect: "can you get the design done and the building built in 3 weeks? engineer: "uh, maybe" owner/architect: "ok, great, let's get started." reality is like the handrail to the groin of a skateboarder. no matter what the project has behind it, emotion, politics, or public momentum, reality always sinks in. see this link: it's a shame, i thought the freedom tower would be a real positive for the people of new york, post 9-11. much like the peace shrine at hiroshima. jae, i noticed you have a theme going with tall buildings. it is like the joke...... what are the 5 stages of project development? wild enthusiasm disallusionment panic search for the guilty promotion of the non-participants (not too far from reality) asixth, yes, well...tall buildings are perhaps the structural engineering equivalent to landing a man on the moon...great endeavors are always fascinating, don't you think? jike, keep it going - ...promotion of the non-participants consultation with attorneys suits filed in "x" court depositions expert witnesses counter expert witnesses mediation attempt mediation fails delay the trial further expert witnesses ....on and on and on.... quote: a transit hub, featuring a winged dome designed by spanish architect santiago calatrava, presents some of the greatest rebuilding obstacles because it affects office towers, the memorial and space for an arts center that surrounds it. once budgeted at $2.2 billion, estimates have soared as high as $3.4 billion. i guess they didn't look into how calatrava's last u.s. project, the sundial bridge in redding, ca, did in terms of budget and schedule. why people accept architects' dollar figures for construction costs is beyond me. you want construction costs, you ask a contractor, not an architect. hg jae: i did a fast track project last weekend. i designed and built a dog house - no, it wasn't for me. now, if there had been an architect involved... everything is relative. mike mccann mmc engineering mike, ok - i'm imagining a frank gehry doghouse. woh. no...that was the cathouse - dogs are more down to earth - literally. mike mccann mmc engineering i am just imagining the features of the "cathouse." is it in nevada? don phillips i think that jae's additions to jike's post just fill in the step which jike left out: punishment of the innocent. "you want construction costs, you ask a contractor, not an architect." contractors aren't psychic, either. __________________ 借用达朗贝尔的名言：前进吧，你会得到信心! [url="http://www.dimcax.com"]几何尺寸与公差标准[/url]